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Thanks for commenting @andrewenglish3810. I mean it. And I get your point. I feel there is more missed by having multiple un-integrated, or loosely integrated 3rd party IT security and management servers to to deal with. Also, Microsoft uses these same security products. They are a $3T company. I say if it is good enough for them, it's good enough for most of us. Also, as a company that only integrates these systems, we just don't have issues and IT overall is very peaceful. That being said, IT managers need to train, certify and get years of experiencing properly integrating these system, which is tough for internal IT managers to do and I'm epithetic to that issue. Again, totally respect your point. And thanks for taking a moment to comment.

Arent they effectively the same? Entra ID is a name change afterall

Thanks @BrianTrela...I love you to man. ❤

Thanks @twangt! And, yes, we do...about 98% of the time. There are some cases where Azure Virtual Desktop makes sense though at this point, rare.

Thanks @tanbirprodhan888! Sure, you can purchase the Microsoft 365 E5 Security Add-on. It does require you have at least one M365 E5 license though...which usually is good to give to the IT manager.

Yes

Yes to both. I suppose there is always going to be a chance that a desktop application won't work, though we haven't run into one yet in our cloud practice with clients.

Business Premium has a 1.5TB email archive included. Part of the work of these integrations is to advise the client and configure a policy that automatically moves emails from the live mailbox to archive. In the case where someone must have a live 100GB mailbox (rare) we can add on an Exchange Online Plan 1 license which is still less expensive than M365 E3, and still a better value. In cases where someone needs 300+ licenses, M365BP premium isn't an option unless they want to mix Business with Enterprise licenses...something I wouldn't recommend.

You would have to add a plan 2 to get 100GB

@@iansylvester1164 Yep, your right. I stand corrected, and that is what we do. Plan 2. I mistyped.

No prob. But that would carry the cost up

@@iansylvester1164 That is true though still cheaper than M365 E3, but even if it was higher, the amount of users we need to apply this add-on is rare when you integrate the 1.5TB archive. I'd estimate for every 30 integration projects we do, which would amount to a total of around 1,000 end-users, I doubt it is even 10. And to make M365 E3 apples to apples with M365 BP, you need to also put add-ons to M365 E3 raising it's cost. That being said, if M365 E3 isn't your thing, all good.

Hi Peter, I don't know if VNC was blocked by the Cloud PC.

No, it isn't.

Thanks @kaplangolfer!

Just a quick question. I just wanted your input on whether users of Microsoft Office 365 (E3) as well as Windows 365, should be "backing up" their Office 365 data (like OneDrive). I understand about the multiple "Recycle Bins" that are in place (plus the 7-year retention policy) but in terms of a backup process outside of Office 365, I was just wondering which product or 3rd party (if any) you would recommend or if it is not necessary. Thank you for your time!!!

You can take an existing Windows 10 or 11 Pro company computers as-is...manage it with Intune. If Windows 10, manage the upgrade automatically through Intune. Refurbished computers purchased with Windows 11 Pro managed with Intune. Super easy. No overhead. The thing is this...if an IT manager doesn't want to do it, they will find a way not to. If they want to make it happen, they will find a way. Going doing the path I describe in the video would be for an IT manager that is all-in with, and excited about, Microsoft cloud services. If they aren't, that's cool too.

Thanks @RealDeal! Yes, it's possible to migrate from Google and Slack for files. I don't know about Slack chat data. Interesting question though, and I'll put that one in the back of my mind.

Thanks Rob! :)

We anticipate by March - June 2024 based on the progress of things at the enterprise level, which is why SMB's need to get AI READY now. They wouldn't just drop in CoPilot with out getting their security modernized, and shared files fully integrated, and even then, not without getting their users and IT admins trained...thus the theme of this video. Microsoft isn't moving away from file sync on Windows File Explorer..they added a shortcut as you spoke, which is OK, but that shortcut feature isn't replacement for anything. In fact, they are doubling down on sync, in that Windows 365 Cloud PC's, their virtual desktop solution, will be able to work offline and sync.

@@Xerillion Microsoft now recommends using Shortcuts in their documentation as "the more versatile option". Also, they are prepping the Onedrive PWA, OneDrive web app and, Teams to handle offline files. It sounds like they are moving away from Sync.

If that is your interpretation, that's cool. I mean it. What I like to see is IT pro's who keep an eye on the changes and formulate their own opinions of the future. This is what companies pay us to do...to have a vision. When I speak to new prospective clients, often I tell them, "Imagine you **weren't** hiring my company as a 3rd party, imagine you were hiring me (Wayne Chapin) as your internal IT manager, and you asked me: 'Wayne, if you come to work as the IT manger for our company, what direction would you take our IT system?' I'd then give my my take on shared files inside Microsoft 365." Now, in your case, you'd do the same...which cool. And, I'll go a step further...I really enjoy getting into conversations about where things are headed with IT pro's like yourself, though it's much more beneficial to do it live, versus chat. Which for 2024, I'm trying to figure out a way to get a live engaged conversation going with some of you guys. But again, not in chat. And not be just going live in RUclips while you guys message me in chat. I'd really like a peer-based video meeting. That's hopefully something I can figure out for 2024. All that said, thanks for engaging Mike. 👍

Thanks @MrMiller0313! :)

@Firefox247, your a true IT brethren! I agree 100% with your comments. Thanks for sharing my friend. :)

DO you have a training for the type of data migration or architecture setup you mentioned in this video? @@Xerillion

@@RealDeal-up5gt thanks for asking. We don't. I have thought many many times about building and selling a guide for IT managers around doing these migrations themselves. The problem with it, as I see it currently, is that there are so many permutations and name changes that anything we build will go out of date within 3-6 months. Also, the IT managers will never get the confidence to cutover a system through a guide alone. It is best to work with someone like us to guide you, build it, do the cutover with you, show you some basic admin, and then hand you the reigns. Even then though, the monitoring and management of a cloud services system is a big deal and can't just be "taken over" without training and experience. Thank for asking.

Thanks @plopez1972!

Such a nice comment @Sandsandeeps! Thank you. Yeah, man...I was looking back and I only got out 3 videos this year! My goal for 2024 is to increase that to 6 and also to connect more directly with the IT community that comes to this channel and get to know you guys better. Thanks again. :)

Hey @lefrinj! I'm working on Microsoft 365 CoPilot integration with company shared files in Microsoft 365. I don't know what I'll do next, but I do like the suggestion. Thanks!

Hey @dellc. I talk about thin clients as a connection device many times in this video. They are a way to connect to Cloud PC's though they are not a competitor to them. Thin clients don't host virtual desktops, they connect to them.

Smellthecoffe5314, really nice of you to say. And it's funny of you to say too as it is true. A great deal of my time is processing all the information that comes at us as Microsoft cloud partners and filtering it for what I think IT managers really care about. Microsoft's content is focused on their large (1,000 user+) enterprise customers that generate most of Microsoft's revenue. So, that makes sense. in the 30 - 300 user market, that is where they rely on their partners. I would love to be able to point chatGPT at Microsoft content and have it work up scripts...been there..tried that...many times...but there needs to be a real IT manager there to filter out what really matters to IT managers like us. Anyway, really appreciate the comment. 🙂

Microsoft stands to make more money when things are murky, that is how all SaaS subscriptions work. Ignorance can be swayed into just going with the E5 and most everything being underutilized as pointed out in the video.

haha 🙂Thanks Ifitservices3833! The $6 DC's are out there. 👍 That being said, it's rare we use DC's at all anymore though even when we rehost VM's in Azure.

Hey eijahb77. The audience for these videos is IT managers who are in the trenches. If this gives them inspiration to get it done on their own...great. I think the job is too complicated to do without 5-6 actual migrations under an IT Pro's belt to move a high profile IT service like file sharing. IT managers only get to work on one network, so they can't get the experience to get the confidence to do these projects and need a Microsoft cloud partner. They can reach out to us or reach out to anyone they like. To answer your question, we migrate files to Teams (foundation of SharePoint) and if someone doesn't have access, they don't see the folders. Also, as is talked about in many of these videos we have, moving your shared file folder for most companies does require thoughtful changes in shared structure, permissions, and training end users for successful change management. It's rare you can just do a simple copy of folders and security permissions. And a how-to video on these process would, I'd estimate, be 8 hours long, take 200+ hours to produce and be outdated within 3-6 months. And there are just too many special circumstances that every single network has that cannot be accounted for in a standard video. Every single one of you internal IT managers out there has some special circumstance that an experienced, trained Cloud IT Pro has to sort out. Thanks for the comment. 👍

Thanks Scott! Even when another IT pro doesn't share my approach, taking a thoughtful, respectful tone like you did and sharing your opinion, is great for interesting conversations. I'll share my thoughts on your comment as the respectful objection you share is interesting to me within the context of talking to hundreds of IT managers/directors/CTO's/CFO's/CEO's in just the past 3 years alone as Microsoft cloud systems got ultra-hot in 2020 with the pandemic. IT managers generally (not saying you do...and for the same of this..let's agree that you don't) just do hard cost analysis, and they don't think in terms of their salaries and costs, and the other IT personnel salaries and costs...the turnover costs of IT personnel (which is a whole other huge topic), the security risks...the costs of having idle stacks of computers sitting in server rooms. The servicing costs of physical computers vs. virtual computers (in this case Cloud PC's). They also over-provision virtual computers for users. The Cloud PC objection reminds me of objections of 7+ years ago around moving server to Azure. The IT manager would take the same on-premise specs which were massively over-powered and apply them to Azure and then point out what a rip off Azure was compared to physical server. That isn't a good analysis. Again, no saying you are doing that...but I see it ALL...THE...TIME. I do a LOT of educating with cloud services and tech. I will say this, if you are doing your Cloud PC analysis as an IT director of a single computer network..I don't care how big it is (the bigger the network is...usually the more that network will stay the same..too many moving parts and IT managers of larger networks are VERY risk adverse), an IT manger can only do this properly with a Microsoft AI Cloud Partner...a company that analyzes and proposes on integrating systems like Cloud PC's over and over and over. Internal IT managers cannot get the experience to do the proper analysis. They don't know what they don't know. How could they? They only work one-ish network at a time. Again, not looking to get into it here int the comments..not saying this is you. But...this is a fact and I see it all the time. The people we talk to most are IT managers and not companies without an IT manager. Lastly, I'll also mention that in my video, I talk about BYOD and repurposing old computers as Cloud PC connection devices. This works extremely well and provides absolute hard number cost savings, and requires less IT support personnel. And IT people shouldn't let the concept of "less IT support personnel" trigger them. Low level desktop support work is not the most interesting type of IT work to do. It's entry level and higher turnover which is a headache for IT directors like you. Your time is better spent on strategic IT work. Again, thank you for your comment and engaging in a constructive conversation Scott. 👍🙂

@@Xerillion Gotcha, and I don't disagree with most of your points. I appreciate the reasoned reply. I do think cloud PCs are a good fit in a lot of situations and companies, but it's still not a solid fit for all. One of my current issues is remote and offline use, as a huge chunk of our workforce is in sketchy areas which dont have internet/cellular. I'd also make the argument that the ROI on cloud PCs is less in raw PC/compute savings but more in security and other benefits. VDI (and VDI-like) solutions, historically, are almost never about raw cash savings. Anyway - appreciate the points and discussion nonetheless. I always like sanity checks and good discussions with other IT leaders. Keep up the great work on the channel.

@@scottrobinson2668 appreciate your discussion on this! One thing I'll make a future video on is that Microsoft is adding Microsoft Cloud PC Offline. So, the Cloud PC will work offline and then sync changes when it reconnects.